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anything above $2,500 will be taxed and the rest will be taxed. they are going to be playing $10,000, $12,000 more per year taxable rate to get their kids per school. >> and they're always talking about how the republicans want to destroy the study for autism. but here it is black and white in the obama. we appreciate it. it's great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> now to the lottery frenzy. there's already a winner in this game. the government. not good. we're going to explain when "the kudlow report" comes right back. >>> if everything on the fiscal side caves, what incentive is there for tax reform in 20 13? >> ups believes congress does need to move very quickly to get this done. >> there are going to be many moments when it seems like there's a deal and then there are people who fight the deal, which is why we have been featuring the notion of rising above. >> all sides could lose if an agreement isn't arrived upon. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all
anything above $2,500 will be taxed and the rest will be taxed. they are going to be playing $10,000, $12,000 more per year taxable rate to get their kids per school. >> and they're always talking about how the republicans want to destroy the study for autism. but here it is black and white in the obama. we appreciate it. it's great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> now to the lottery frenzy. there's already a winner in this game. the government. not good. we're going to...
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no change in tax rates. so it is not a flat tax reform but no increase in marginal tax rates. can you and your pledge, with the pledge be okay with the bay nor plan to increase revenues by capping deductions? he has not endorsed raising taxes nor did he a year ago. if you eliminate deductions now, you have destroyed the opportunity for tarx reform a year ago. they are not available to reduce tax rates. >> so you are opposed to it. it is bad for the economy and it destroyed our effort to get tax reform down the road. >> i have talked to staff and remembers and they don't need to hear it from me, they know that lower marginal tax rates are necessary for growth and the only way to get the revenue to pay down obama's debt. >> help me out, in effect, is the plan to put a cap on deductions, does his plan break the americans for tax reform no-tax pledge? >> to be clear. john boehner has not said that. he says he is for revenues from growth. i'm for that. that is a tax increase that is what obama wants and it does affect the margin because they are going to attack certain income group
no change in tax rates. so it is not a flat tax reform but no increase in marginal tax rates. can you and your pledge, with the pledge be okay with the bay nor plan to increase revenues by capping deductions? he has not endorsed raising taxes nor did he a year ago. if you eliminate deductions now, you have destroyed the opportunity for tarx reform a year ago. they are not available to reduce tax rates. >> so you are opposed to it. it is bad for the economy and it destroyed our effort to...
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the tax there would be $114 million before december 31st. if you wait until january 31st and we go off the cliff, that tax goes up to$130 million. you save $16 million by paying now. the winner should also make a gift. couples now can make a gift of up to $10 million tax free. next year that changes to only $2 million, and the tax rate on gifts also goes up. most important advice, a cooling off period. advisers say you should put the check in the bank and ignore it for three to six months. use that time to get your financial bearings and maybe create a real financial plan. and the plan is critical. you should hire a financial adviser and figure out your spending goals. michelle, $327 million sounds like a lot. once you buy a yacht and a g-650, pretty soon you're done. once you have a real income plan, you create a portfolio to meet those needs. it's probably going to be a mix of stocks, bonds, and alternatives. again, do it all before december 31st. along with the fiscal cliff, the stock cliff and of course the mansion cliff we now have the
the tax there would be $114 million before december 31st. if you wait until january 31st and we go off the cliff, that tax goes up to$130 million. you save $16 million by paying now. the winner should also make a gift. couples now can make a gift of up to $10 million tax free. next year that changes to only $2 million, and the tax rate on gifts also goes up. most important advice, a cooling off period. advisers say you should put the check in the bank and ignore it for three to six months. use...
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we said to the voters we will keep taxes low and not increase taxes. how dare anyone else keep us to the promises that got us ele elected. that the moment these people are are primed. they are going to be reaganites. the moment that they are challenged. >> i can tell you this. not one drop of revenue should be put on the table until we have massive across the board spending reductions and entitlement reform. that is what is missing. the gop should stand up and say not one drop of revenue until you show me good faith with the spending reduction you all talk about except when it comes time to do something about it. and step b is that the small business community should say not one pens penny until i know you are not going to screw me. >> a quiz. well the answer is coming up next. it is the energy boom that is the brightest spot in our dull and amenemic economy. does the republican party have a front-runner for 2016 could be. don't forget. free market capitalism. we are about to prove it again in 2:00 when the kudlow report comes right back. [ male announ
we said to the voters we will keep taxes low and not increase taxes. how dare anyone else keep us to the promises that got us ele elected. that the moment these people are are primed. they are going to be reaganites. the moment that they are challenged. >> i can tell you this. not one drop of revenue should be put on the table until we have massive across the board spending reductions and entitlement reform. that is what is missing. the gop should stand up and say not one drop of revenue...
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i've got a long track record of not only holding the line on taxes but reducing taxes. and i believe that we have too much -- at the national level, too much taxation, too much regulation but, no, i did not sign the pledge. >> let me ask you about the idea that revenues are on the table as the speaker has said. i'm curious what that really means. does that signal a willingness on the part of the gop to see some people's taxes go up, or does it mean that the revenue increases will derive from economic growth and -- >> speaker boehner and republicans are reaching out to the administration. speaker boehner has said we'll put revenue on the table, not through higher tax rates but through closing loopholes and limiting deductions. that accomplishes exactly what the administration has demanded. >> but that means somebody's taxes will go up. >> sure. >> if you close loopholes an deductions. >> we'll make sure rates don't go up so you don't impact small businesses or middle class americans who obviously are struggling to get going and get back to work and get our economy going.
i've got a long track record of not only holding the line on taxes but reducing taxes. and i believe that we have too much -- at the national level, too much taxation, too much regulation but, no, i did not sign the pledge. >> let me ask you about the idea that revenues are on the table as the speaker has said. i'm curious what that really means. does that signal a willingness on the part of the gop to see some people's taxes go up, or does it mean that the revenue increases will derive...
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the extension of this tax relief is included in a larger tax cut bill that was passed out of the senate finance committee but again, like all other tax relief, it faces the danger of of the fiscal cliff. it's not just the mortgage settlements involved here. short sales have been a huge part of this housing recovery and if you have to pay taxes on a short sale -- let me tell you, most of those borrowers are just going to opt to go into foreclosure. sue? >> understandably so. diana, thank you very much. >>> up next, we're analyzing the analysts. on tap today, facebook, yahoo! and rimm. >>> plus we'll talk live with the ceo of land's end to get his take on the official kickoff of the holiday shopping season. you're watching "power lunch" on cnbc. >>> the national debt grew $112 million per month, on average, between june 2011 to june 2012. ♪ [ female announcer ] today, it's not just about who lives in the white house, it's about who lives in the yellow house, the green, and the apartment house, too. today we not only honor the oval office, but we honor the cubicle, and the home office as
the extension of this tax relief is included in a larger tax cut bill that was passed out of the senate finance committee but again, like all other tax relief, it faces the danger of of the fiscal cliff. it's not just the mortgage settlements involved here. short sales have been a huge part of this housing recovery and if you have to pay taxes on a short sale -- let me tell you, most of those borrowers are just going to opt to go into foreclosure. sue? >> understandably so. diana, thank...
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tax hikes, tax hikes, and tax hikes. one way or another, that's about all i hear on this fiscal cliff business, and you know what? what about spending cuts which is the true source of the deficit problem along with anemic economic growth. and here's one. we just got confirmation that the latest fiscal numbers from the treasury department show the federal government ran up more red ink in october than it did the year before, and guess what? spending went up double digits from the year before. what a surprise. but the white house got one thing right today. it released a study showing that a massive year-end tax hike would kill consumer spending by $200 billion, right. so let's not raise taxes. and in addition to all of this, the joint chiefs of staff is apparently drawing up plans to keep 10,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan past the 2014 deadline. this break a president obama promise, but some promises are made to be broken, and i think this is probably a good move. but first up congress back at work tonight after the holida
tax hikes, tax hikes, and tax hikes. one way or another, that's about all i hear on this fiscal cliff business, and you know what? what about spending cuts which is the true source of the deficit problem along with anemic economic growth. and here's one. we just got confirmation that the latest fiscal numbers from the treasury department show the federal government ran up more red ink in october than it did the year before, and guess what? spending went up double digits from the year before....
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tax-exempt bonds sound good when taxes are going up but the value of the bonds have been bit up because panic buying is pushing our interest rates go up. you'll lose a lot of principle on munis bonds. if you buy one today you have a 1% to 2% chance to the upside and a 40% chance of losing money. that's not good odds. run away from interest rate-sensitive bonds. that's my number one, you know, tip of the day, if you want to call it. stay away from that. >> the takeaway from ed. thank you for joining us, stewart. a pleasure. >>. >> 12 minutes before the closing bell. right now the dow jones industrial average is lower by 54 points. nasdaq higher by 70 point. >> violent protests in egypt are one of the many hot spots around the globe affecting our markets. we'll round off all of them and find out how they are affecting your money coming up next. >>> plus, one top democrat says members of his party threatening to jump off the fiscal cliff. they say, do it already! he says that's a business mistake. sandra levin joins us from capital to tell us why he thinks it's a baddied. working since i w
tax-exempt bonds sound good when taxes are going up but the value of the bonds have been bit up because panic buying is pushing our interest rates go up. you'll lose a lot of principle on munis bonds. if you buy one today you have a 1% to 2% chance to the upside and a 40% chance of losing money. that's not good odds. run away from interest rate-sensitive bonds. that's my number one, you know, tip of the day, if you want to call it. stay away from that. >> the takeaway from ed. thank you...
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taxes will go higher. you're also talking about the possibility of a much slower economy. and how does that impact earnings in 2013? let's say hypothetically we go off the fiscal cliff because clearly both sides are digging in. here we are at the edge once again like last summer. we go off the fiscal cliff. 2013 comes. we go into recession. doesn't that hit corporate earnings, which, of course, has been the best part of this recovery anywhere? >> there's no question about that. i would contend that the market has probably already factored most of that in. when you can buy a number of stocks -- in the hodges small cap fund, we have a number of stocks trading below their growth rate. that's telling you that the market is not expecting good growth. when you can buy stocks that are growing at 20% a year at ten times earnings, that's a good valuation. there are a number of those situations there that we're seeing left and right. >> got to go, guys. >> okay. >> sorry, jeff. you know how that works. you guys on t
taxes will go higher. you're also talking about the possibility of a much slower economy. and how does that impact earnings in 2013? let's say hypothetically we go off the fiscal cliff because clearly both sides are digging in. here we are at the edge once again like last summer. we go off the fiscal cliff. 2013 comes. we go into recession. doesn't that hit corporate earnings, which, of course, has been the best part of this recovery anywhere? >> there's no question about that. i would...
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so when you tax a dividend, you're double taxing it. it's already been taxed once. >> right. so by that logic, let's get rid of all taxes on dividends so wealthy heirs basically pay no taxes. >> pension funds would be better off. everybody would be better off. >> look, one of the problems with these, you got to keep in mind, dividend tax rates right now are at a historically low level. they were much higher in the 1990s during that bull market. they were higher in the 1980s. >> not relevant to my point i was making. >> you're talking about completely different economic conditions as well. you're talking about a country that's scraping the bottom, coming from a recession, where any level of contraction is going to be damaging. >> jeff, we have to cut you off. bob is waiting. you know how he gets. guys, good discussion. thank you. >> all right. we started 100 points down. we finished 100 points up. bob, it's a fiscal cliff soap opeon on the -- opera on the street. >> we dropped about 10:00. we had disappointing october new home sales. that was one little disappointing piece of
so when you tax a dividend, you're double taxing it. it's already been taxed once. >> right. so by that logic, let's get rid of all taxes on dividends so wealthy heirs basically pay no taxes. >> pension funds would be better off. everybody would be better off. >> look, one of the problems with these, you got to keep in mind, dividend tax rates right now are at a historically low level. they were much higher in the 1990s during that bull market. they were higher in the 1980s....
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very focused on raising taxes on the rich. if you have a millionaire or billionaire elderly person, and you tell them, guess what, you're going to have to pay more for your health care, that would be like raising their taxes, right? and it would help reduce the problem. but they don't want to talk about that. >> the easiest solution's in front of us. i'm not the expert on medicare or social security. means testing and raising age limits seem to me to be pretty practical solutions as part of the solution, not the total solution, to reducing entitlement spending. >> if you were this the white house today with with the president as many of the nation's leading ceos are, what would be first that you would tell president obama today needs to be dealt with to get through the fiscal cliff? >> wehat we need is a solution that's going to call for sacrifice on the part of all americans. so we're going to have to raise revenue, yes. we're going to have to reduce spending. his own rhetoric, about a three to one, which is in line with the
very focused on raising taxes on the rich. if you have a millionaire or billionaire elderly person, and you tell them, guess what, you're going to have to pay more for your health care, that would be like raising their taxes, right? and it would help reduce the problem. but they don't want to talk about that. >> the easiest solution's in front of us. i'm not the expert on medicare or social security. means testing and raising age limits seem to me to be pretty practical solutions as part...
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care tax. and you're talking about dividends going 15 to about 44. now maybe they will fix that dividend thing. but there is no question that the incentives will roll back by 10 or 15% on those two investment tax rates. no question. >> but if the dividends are fixed, did you say 25% on capital gains, i think the market will learn it live with that. if we can rework the dividend part, the market may think that is positive and think that's a risk -- >> so you might have a shock initially. but then the market will absorb the new tax rates, is that what you are saying? >> that's what i believe, certainly. then you get back into things like apple. if they raise capital gains and dividends and raise dividends up to 40% like on ordinary income, then i see this sluggish recovery, the market will interpret as that, then you run into things like coca-cola, proctor and gamble, things reviewed as safe havens, because we won't have a very good economy. >> if we don't get it done by year-end, good over the c
care tax. and you're talking about dividends going 15 to about 44. now maybe they will fix that dividend thing. but there is no question that the incentives will roll back by 10 or 15% on those two investment tax rates. no question. >> but if the dividends are fixed, did you say 25% on capital gains, i think the market will learn it live with that. if we can rework the dividend part, the market may think that is positive and think that's a risk -- >> so you might have a shock...
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earners, then there's a question also of tax structure like the treatment of taxes for in some health care items and also on the mortgages. so there are a number of areas where this-of will there will have to be a negotiation, have to be give we're talking here about medium and long-term viability of the united states economy to not only avoid the fiscal cliff but get to the moment where the debt stops rising and the debt to gdp starts coming down into an area where we all can breathe more comfortably. >> secretary, we're going to leave it there. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> coming up, we're going to kick off a rise above road trip. john harwood begins in ohio visiting the home state of house speaker john boehner asking constituents if their representative is representing them or not. the currents to rise above all day and i guess they mean their representative in congress and the representative in the white house asking both all day on "squawk box." tdd# 1-800-345-2550 you should've seen me today. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 when the spx crossed above its 50-day mo
earners, then there's a question also of tax structure like the treatment of taxes for in some health care items and also on the mortgages. so there are a number of areas where this-of will there will have to be a negotiation, have to be give we're talking here about medium and long-term viability of the united states economy to not only avoid the fiscal cliff but get to the moment where the debt stops rising and the debt to gdp starts coming down into an area where we all can breathe more...
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rates where they are, not letting the lower tax rates reset. that's real money in terms ofi don't know that it's going to win the day, but i really would like to hear republicans kind of argue why they are not agreeing on this part of the deal. i think that would push things forward. >> on the 98%? >> yeah. the 98% anytime, at the end that's the worst-case scenario, that republicans cave to the president's demand, because he's not asking for any more on that. so why give it -- why give that up now? >> just because they both agree on that. >> well, they don't -- >> they agree on that. >> why are democrats so afraid of going back to the clinton tax rates? that's a great question. wasn't that the source of prosperity in the '90s? >> i liked that tax structure. >> i know you do, jared. >> i'm just saying that's something they agree on. >> here's the deal. what you saw today was really show business on the case of the white house with an audience behind him. the president did not talk about entitlements, anything he would give on, really zero change
rates where they are, not letting the lower tax rates reset. that's real money in terms ofi don't know that it's going to win the day, but i really would like to hear republicans kind of argue why they are not agreeing on this part of the deal. i think that would push things forward. >> on the 98%? >> yeah. the 98% anytime, at the end that's the worst-case scenario, that republicans cave to the president's demand, because he's not asking for any more on that. so why give it -- why...
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are paying taxes some other way. >> corporations pass along taxes to their consumers anyway. to the customers as well, right, so then you're sort of saying they're going to get stuck with it. shareholders would get stuck with part of it and it also gets passed along with, that seems self-defeating, too. >> we're talking about lowering corporate taxes on the shareholders. on the beneficiaries of those higher. >> you worked in the white house, steve. you know the president. >> i do. >> you know the way he thinks and frankly many of his cabinet members and those quhis pwhispe his ear thing. he'll barnstorm the country and talk about the 39.6%, talking about marginal rates. where is the room to the extent you believe there's room, to compromise, with a house that doesn't want to talk about marginal rates at all? where is the white house able to compromise? >> i've been doing deals for many years, greg has, there's always compromise. could you put the buffett rule in to raise a bit of money over here? the beauty of this situation, it's difficult, but the beauty of it is, it's not
are paying taxes some other way. >> corporations pass along taxes to their consumers anyway. to the customers as well, right, so then you're sort of saying they're going to get stuck with it. shareholders would get stuck with part of it and it also gets passed along with, that seems self-defeating, too. >> we're talking about lowering corporate taxes on the shareholders. on the beneficiaries of those higher. >> you worked in the white house, steve. you know the president....
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the first is taxes. the winner could choose between a lump sum of $327 million or the annual payments. they should take the lump sum and pay the $114 million in taxes before december 31st f they wait until january 1st and we go off the cliff, those taxes go up to $130 million, you save $16 million paying now the winner should make a gift, 'tis the season, cities also the tax regime. couples can now give up to $10 million tax free, next year, that money changed to only $1 m the tax rate on that goes up. should do it now most important advice, cool off. sudden wealth can ruin your life, expose to you all kinds of scams and lead to overindulgence. people say you should put the check in the bank and ignore it for three to six moment. use that time to get your financial bearings and create a real plan. the plan is critical. you should start by hiring a financial adviser, figure out your spending goals, $327 million sounds like a lot but you buy a yacht and a g 550 plane, pretty soon you are done. one of an in
the first is taxes. the winner could choose between a lump sum of $327 million or the annual payments. they should take the lump sum and pay the $114 million in taxes before december 31st f they wait until january 1st and we go off the cliff, those taxes go up to $130 million, you save $16 million paying now the winner should make a gift, 'tis the season, cities also the tax regime. couples can now give up to $10 million tax free, next year, that money changed to only $1 m the tax rate on that...
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for the very highest tax rate? maybe not 39 1/2, maybe more like 35, but he can say i met with these experts and they're the reason i'm backing off of that? >> reporter: no, i don't think he would do that. that would not be a good political strategy because wall street the among the most unpopular segments with the american public. and the president's stance right now for raising taxes for people at the top of the income scale is very popular with the public. what he's got to do is convert that into to effective support in congress while also getting people in his own party to agree to cuts in these spending programs, especially the entitlements of medicare and social security which are so explosive in their costs. >> all right, john, thanks a lot for giving us the latest there. john harwood from the white house. and of course, as ceos come walking out of that meeting, we'll bring you the latest from there. >>> fear of gridlock in d.c. causing a big exodus in stocks. $9 billion flowed out of u.s. equities last week
for the very highest tax rate? maybe not 39 1/2, maybe more like 35, but he can say i met with these experts and they're the reason i'm backing off of that? >> reporter: no, i don't think he would do that. that would not be a good political strategy because wall street the among the most unpopular segments with the american public. and the president's stance right now for raising taxes for people at the top of the income scale is very popular with the public. what he's got to do is...
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3.8% tax. this is going to happen regardless whatever comes out with the fiscal cliff. the "wall street journal" on saturday, the personal finance section did a great job explaining that. here it is, 3.8% tax, joint files of under $250,000. it's going to apply to dividends, x-munis. for now, munis not included. net capital gains, rents, royalties, and some investment annuities. what it is -- basically if a couple has adjusted gross income of $250,000, but they have $2,000 of interest, $4,000 of dividends and $1,000 in net capital gains would not apply. $240,000 -- but if you had capital gains, net capital gains of 10,000, you're in that threshold of 250, it's going to kick in and that 3.8% on that net, the net difference being $6,000 above 250 is 3.8%. $228. the point here is this is a number that everyone can at least try to think about and figure out where it is. this is happening no matter what happens with rise above. these are numbers you should start thinking about and planning right now
3.8% tax. this is going to happen regardless whatever comes out with the fiscal cliff. the "wall street journal" on saturday, the personal finance section did a great job explaining that. here it is, 3.8% tax, joint files of under $250,000. it's going to apply to dividends, x-munis. for now, munis not included. net capital gains, rents, royalties, and some investment annuities. what it is -- basically if a couple has adjusted gross income of $250,000, but they have $2,000 of interest,...
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remember all those concerns about higher taxes on dividend? the dow utilities bottomed several weeks ago. okay, it is not a gigantic move but the slope has been upward. utilities are among market leaders today. all right, fractional but it is a fairly broad advance. what about those concerns about the mortgage interest desucduct? nice little advance in some of the home builders. pending home sales above expectations. the market believes some kind of deal is coming and that it is going to be substantive. if it doesn't happen, then we're all going to pay the price in the next month or so. >> a lot of prices to be paid. >>> as the market is clearly blowing in the breeze with every single comment from both sides of the political aisle, we wonder whether or not these comments are anything more than just hot air. eamon javers, what say you? >> well, there's a lot of hot air up here on capitol hill, mandy. i just had the chance -- not that he was talking about hot air, but i just spoke briefly with former republican vice presidential candidate paul r
remember all those concerns about higher taxes on dividend? the dow utilities bottomed several weeks ago. okay, it is not a gigantic move but the slope has been upward. utilities are among market leaders today. all right, fractional but it is a fairly broad advance. what about those concerns about the mortgage interest desucduct? nice little advance in some of the home builders. pending home sales above expectations. the market believes some kind of deal is coming and that it is going to be...
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tax reform which we definitely need. there's no two ways about it. >> congressman pascrell, thank you again. >>> breaking news from the bond market. you saw the headlines cross moments ago. $30 billion in 7-year notes up for auction. rick santelli, we have a bid to cover ratio of 2.81%. >> that 2.81% is above the 10-auction average. this is around 2.74%. actually, close to the 40% 106-auction average. directs -- 19.7% that is a record high since they brought the 7-year back in february of '09. i can't find a higher direct bid. the yield -- 1.045%, right in the middle of the bid offer we give this auction a b-plus, solid auction. 99 billion is now behind us and considering the issues of fiscal cliff we're going to be looking to handicap a whole lot more auctions over the next several years. back to you. >> absolutely. >>> breaking news now. it concerns microsoft. let's go out to jon fortt. jon? >> hey, sue. microsoft has officially announced the pricing for surface pro. that's the version of microsoft's tablet that runs a
tax reform which we definitely need. there's no two ways about it. >> congressman pascrell, thank you again. >>> breaking news from the bond market. you saw the headlines cross moments ago. $30 billion in 7-year notes up for auction. rick santelli, we have a bid to cover ratio of 2.81%. >> that 2.81% is above the 10-auction average. this is around 2.74%. actually, close to the 40% 106-auction average. directs -- 19.7% that is a record high since they brought the 7-year back...
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the white house says republicans need to come to terms with extending the bush tax cuts for those under 250,000 and withdrawing them from those over 250,000. do that right away. that will help with the fiscal cliff they say, and they're trying to push republicans into a plitle cal box where they're the defenders of the millionaires and billionaires and the democrats are saying everybody needs a tax cut in the country. they're trying to push the republicans back into the political box. what we saw from durbin today is more of that political lerchl and pressure applied. >> thanks so much. the markets watching it all closely. where are stocks likely to head as the fiscal cliff approaches. gentlemen, it's good to have you with us. >> thank you, scott. >> what's your best get on what happens with the cliff and where the market goes between now and the end year? >> we're held hostage by headlines like what's put out. i think it's only social security everyone wants to separate because it has its own funding mechanism and is not part of the current fiscal difficulties that we have. i do think
the white house says republicans need to come to terms with extending the bush tax cuts for those under 250,000 and withdrawing them from those over 250,000. do that right away. that will help with the fiscal cliff they say, and they're trying to push republicans into a plitle cal box where they're the defenders of the millionaires and billionaires and the democrats are saying everybody needs a tax cut in the country. they're trying to push the republicans back into the political box. what we...
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so if we raise everyone's taxes, it'll be a $2 trillion tax increase. well, if we raise it only on the rich which the president wants to do and the democrats, that's 40% of the nation's income. so it'll be a $900 billion tax increase. it isn't about who the tax increase is on. that's simply envy and class warfare. it's about how much money you're going to take out of the private sector. $900 billion taken from the private sector is an enormous drain and will hurt economic growth. doesn't matter whether it's rich people, middle class or poor people. it's money taken out of the productive sector, the private sector, and given to the nonproductive sector, the government. >> finally, we started the conversation talking about the pledge. when senator graham does, though, indicate his commitment is softening, do you have words with him later on? does he get scolded behind the scenes? >> i don't do any scolding. it's not my job to tell other senators or congressman how to vote or what to think. i try to communicate what i think is the message of our party. the
so if we raise everyone's taxes, it'll be a $2 trillion tax increase. well, if we raise it only on the rich which the president wants to do and the democrats, that's 40% of the nation's income. so it'll be a $900 billion tax increase. it isn't about who the tax increase is on. that's simply envy and class warfare. it's about how much money you're going to take out of the private sector. $900 billion taken from the private sector is an enormous drain and will hurt economic growth. doesn't matter...
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they talk about taxes on national television. i know pornography when i see it. norquist made it very clear that any republican who signed the pledge, that's pretty much every republican in congress, who now balks, is someone whose career is over. to me, that meant the defectors are far and few between. as a moderate leadership cannot deliver those pledged to the norquist hardline. norquist who seems to welcome a bust on the wall of shame, used to beg for it, is more powerful than speaker john boehner. norquist is more powerful than boehner. it feels as if the air went out of the compromise zeppelin. hey, like the graph zeppelin, like, lakehurst. retail, now we're hearing that there wasn't as much follow-through to the initial sales from thursday night. i think it's nonsense, but macy's and costco, vf, coach and ralph lauren were tagged with huge losses today. i believe the holiday sales are flat-out strong. amazing numbers from apple, like a rocket since it hit the 505 level last week. terrific ipad mini sales. wasn't that a pro
they talk about taxes on national television. i know pornography when i see it. norquist made it very clear that any republican who signed the pledge, that's pretty much every republican in congress, who now balks, is someone whose career is over. to me, that meant the defectors are far and few between. as a moderate leadership cannot deliver those pledged to the norquist hardline. norquist who seems to welcome a bust on the wall of shame, used to beg for it, is more powerful than speaker john...
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so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a simpson-bowles thing. the fiscal abyss, i don't know if we know whether that's going to be a one- or two-step process. >> it should be a two-step process because you can never deal with $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can spend $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can and they have. >> and they do. >> yeah. so i think the -- what they need to do, though, right now is everybody keeps talking about the cliff as like here it comes december 31st. the reality is businesses today are acting as if this is going to happen. so this is not whether the dow goes up and down and that's the symbol of whether
so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a...
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suddenly they love these tax cuts. we can't live without these tax cuts! however, republicans are now saying let's go ahead and let all of them expire. now the republicans don't love the bush tax cuts and the democrats do love them. it's totally switched. >> that is true. >> and you know what? i would never think that i would agree with this. he makes a really interesting case. that the united states by far has the most progressive tax system of any advanced country but it's not enough to help narrow income inequality because our overall tax revenue is too low and the middle class is the only people that can come and generate enough revenue to really help the people that are in need. >> which you probably have to do that, but you have to raise rates on the richest or at least find a way to bring their tax rates higher. i don't even understand w we're having this argument about marginal rates. it's stupid. >> you can't go high enough. where is your cutoff? if it's not at 100,000 -- if it's at 250, it's already too high to raise any serious money. >> they're
suddenly they love these tax cuts. we can't live without these tax cuts! however, republicans are now saying let's go ahead and let all of them expire. now the republicans don't love the bush tax cuts and the democrats do love them. it's totally switched. >> that is true. >> and you know what? i would never think that i would agree with this. he makes a really interesting case. that the united states by far has the most progressive tax system of any advanced country but it's not...
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last year the payroll tax cut, that got extended, scott, on december 23rd. this is going to go right down to december 21st in avoiding the fiscal cliff. don't think anything differently. >> today one of the streets most bullish market watchers is is making a pretty bold prediction saying the s&p 500 is going to rally 17% by the end of next year. tony dwire joins us now. good to have you. >> thanks. >> i'm wondering how you're dealing with your predictions and your forecasting on the markets when you have such gyrations due to what's going on with the fiscal cliff. >> well, truthfully, you know, hopefully what makes me a little bit different on the street, i really try not to guess. what they're going to say, it's impossible. what i fall back to is what's the tactical outlook? we had a nice 5% move off of that low. our view is you've always retested that kind of intermediate term low. we're looking for a little pullback. ultima ultimately, don't fight the fed and don't fight the tape. when i talk to people, you kind of think about it. why isn't it follow the
last year the payroll tax cut, that got extended, scott, on december 23rd. this is going to go right down to december 21st in avoiding the fiscal cliff. don't think anything differently. >> today one of the streets most bullish market watchers is is making a pretty bold prediction saying the s&p 500 is going to rally 17% by the end of next year. tony dwire joins us now. good to have you. >> thanks. >> i'm wondering how you're dealing with your predictions and your...
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that might entail a step drop because at the moment we're giving these tax breaks, but we're doing it out of our saving. >> but the point isn't just that we have to restore a higher level perhaps of taxes and lower level of spending than we might like. the problem with the u.s. is it gets into that ideological dispute over whether the way to do that should be by cutting spending and raising taxes. so there is an actual sort of fundamental disagreement that underpins this sense of knee jerk -- >> why have we had to do this? we've had to borrow money and cut people 00 taxes and spend more on social services because the underlying private sector economy completely ran out of steam. it ran out of steam because it needs the banking system to feed off. it needs access to trade credit, to business finance, et cetera. and so when the banking system suddenly said we've got another imperative for us the next few year, we'll have to rebuild our balance sheets, the private sector is temply cut off and drifts. so the public sector has to step in. so what we're really discussing is the private sect
that might entail a step drop because at the moment we're giving these tax breaks, but we're doing it out of our saving. >> but the point isn't just that we have to restore a higher level perhaps of taxes and lower level of spending than we might like. the problem with the u.s. is it gets into that ideological dispute over whether the way to do that should be by cutting spending and raising taxes. so there is an actual sort of fundamental disagreement that underpins this sense of knee...
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certainty about taxes. certainty about spending in congress and certainty about our commitment to lower the debt. >> how do you argue that you are considering all elements of reform if in fact you're going to stick by the norquist pledge. is there anything wrong with as senator graham has said with saying i made that pledge back then but my job is to be a senator every single day and i feel differently now? >> i'm not arguing about a pledge whatsoever. it's our job to be a senator every single day. we have to take on the problems of the day. we have a major problem. i think reforming the code makes the most sense. it worked in 1986 when we lowered rates at the top margin from 70 to 28. but expanded revenue because we cleared the base out. removed a lot of deductions and had rates that were lowered applied against a much higher base which raised revenue. >> you mention the mortgage interest deduction. big piece in the "times" about what that would do to housing. is that the third rail? do we dare touch that
certainty about taxes. certainty about spending in congress and certainty about our commitment to lower the debt. >> how do you argue that you are considering all elements of reform if in fact you're going to stick by the norquist pledge. is there anything wrong with as senator graham has said with saying i made that pledge back then but my job is to be a senator every single day and i feel differently now? >> i'm not arguing about a pledge whatsoever. it's our job to be a senator...
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and the restoration party has reportedly vowed to cut corporate income taxes. two of japan's top high tech firms have decided to join forces in a bid to power up overseas rivals. more live from tokyo. in respect. >>> there will be a joint venture by january 2014. the integration will cover gas turbines and power systems mainly for thermal power plants as well as business but it will not include nuclear power operations. am sales of the new company is estimated to total around $13 billion, a close third in the global thermal power market. infrastructure demand continues to grow worldwide. shares surged following the nikkei report just before the bell. and that's all from me. back to you, kelly. >> thanks very much. samsung may have found a way to get a leg up defense japanese rivals on on the digital camera front. cheri has the details from seoul. >> yeah, samsung today took the wraps off its new android powered digital camera. the camera that has a smart phone like tendencies allows users to upload their photos to their favorite social networking site wirelessl
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and tax payments. what we saw this year with the drought, we expected farmers to pull back their spending because of the severity of the drought, but indeed most had crop insurance so they have ample cash. now they're anxious to spend that money before year end, before bonus depreciation expires at the end of the year. if it expires as part of the fiscal cliff, i guess they are concerned about it. >> thank you for joining us. >>> how does the american people heading into black friday? you t find us online, you'll also find us in person, with dedicated support teams at over 500 branches nationwide. so when you call or visit, you can ask for a name you know. because personal service starts with a real person. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our support teams are nearby, ready to help. it's no wonder so many investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. it's no wonder so many investors are saying... get 36 months interest-free financing through thanksgiving weekend a
and tax payments. what we saw this year with the drought, we expected farmers to pull back their spending because of the severity of the drought, but indeed most had crop insurance so they have ample cash. now they're anxious to spend that money before year end, before bonus depreciation expires at the end of the year. if it expires as part of the fiscal cliff, i guess they are concerned about it. >> thank you for joining us. >>> how does the american people heading into black...
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we can't tax our way out of this. we need to address the way we spend money and if we don't fix that as we go forward for the next generation, we'll be right back in the soup and have to have this fight all over again. >> all right. thanks for joining us. appreciate it. matthew shay of nrf. >>> s.a.c. capital advisers is at the center of biggest insider trading case after filed. criminal charges against a former portfolio manager that worked for crn. cnbc's kate kelly has more on this very much developing story. good morning, kate. >> good morning, david. you're right. developing is the word. "wall street journal" has an interesting story this morning about how federal prosecutors tried to get him to turn a year ago. apparently they failed. they could not convince him to go along with the case that they were attempting to build. there are two things i find interesting about that. one is that he refused to cooperate in a case being built against his former boss, steve cohen, who many thought for years was the big fish
we can't tax our way out of this. we need to address the way we spend money and if we don't fix that as we go forward for the next generation, we'll be right back in the soup and have to have this fight all over again. >> all right. thanks for joining us. appreciate it. matthew shay of nrf. >>> s.a.c. capital advisers is at the center of biggest insider trading case after filed. criminal charges against a former portfolio manager that worked for crn. cnbc's kate kelly has more on...